Small highlights and a Matrix question

So a couple fo things are happening in my life right now. I'm moving.I's a long story ut i am ending my exile in the suburbs for a couple of months in the city. And it might actually save me some moolah..so well see.

Also entering a design contest with my friends in Sweden. And the concept will be based around our distance..I'll say more and post when teh contest is over... deadline Jan 31st.

on to the Matrix..here's my question that i asked two friends of mine today..i''ll post both convrsations though i copied between the two alot..it should be interesting. Yeah so i was having two simultaneous conversations and just sort of spliced them together..rarely altered. Enjoy!!! OH and HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM!!!!!

asante_kofi: ok
asante_kofi: here's a thought
rishispix: careful... slowly... slowly
asante_kofi: in the Matrix a simple modem connection was what was used to connect teh digital world to the analog one
asante_kofi: 56k
rishispix: k
asante_kofi: well ..that's heavy man
asante_kofi: thin about all you know about 56k modems
asante_kofi: and their rliability and stuffrishispix: why is that heavy?
asante_kofi: and then ask yourself this is what i wnat transporting my mind
rishispix: but you're putting "mundane" limitations on it...
rishispix: think of it as a medium between the two worlds...
rishispix: when the modem itself is only a construct...
rishispix: an artificial, virtual thing created in software
asante_kofi: ok ivy league abstractionist i thought ii was the philosophical one
rishispix: for the matrix, the modem is only a piece of software code
rishispix: for the real world, it's the brain jack
rishispix: word
asante_kofi: i think that's an over extension..in reality you have to look at it as purely a modem through a land line
rishispix: not really
asante_kofi: yeah
asante_kofi: really
rishispix: how so?
asante_kofi: brain jack or not..it's a modem..you have to cal
lrishispix: what is "call"?
asante_kofi: a modem made in software ..but still a modem
rishispix: it's just an addressing feature
asante_kofi: oh shut up
rishispix: but the 56 limit again is software
rishispix: think about this
asante_kofi: true
rishispix: 56k is the analog speed over copper wire pair
asante_kofi: but even within those there are limitations cause not everyone was Neo
rishispix: T1 is the "digital" speed over the SAME 24guage copper wire pair
rishispix: what about the "trans-world" speed over the same 24guage copper wire pair
asante_kofi: right but in the world they were living i you weren't T1 ing to a new york city telephone booth
rishispix: again... just software constructs
rishispix: booth or hi-tech lab... it's all code
rishispix: code can be written around
asante_kofi: but they didn't have access to code ..they had access to their own local manipulations but not true access to the code..they couldn't change things in the matrix..only how they accessed it
asante_kofi: well not til neo
rishispix: right.. .you can write code on top of code
rishispix: think of service oriented architecture
rishispix: API's
rishispix: code is written as blocks
rishispix: just redefine how you access, use or manipulate that block
rishispix: on top of thatrishispix: how granular is the block?
rishispix: block = phone, block=phonebooth?
rishispix: block=world
rishispix: or block=copperwire connection between the two
rishispix: and you're not really transporting anything anyway
rishispix: it's a view
rishispix: an interface
asante_kofi: it's still a construct of a 56 unreliable modem...being written on top of to do what..i thik taht was too easily done
rishispix: a window
rishispix: it's just a view into the world
rishispix: until neo and agent smith.. noone actually crossed that line
rishispix: everyone just kinda peeked in
rishispix: phycsially they stayed in the world
rishispix: they just dialed in... remote terminal style to the other world
asante_kofi: right but mentally they had to dial in
rishispix: brb.. gotta go sign a timesheet and do work... be back in 2
asante_kofi: and could only get out through a phone yep
rishispix: ba-ack
rishispix: are you done confusing yourself?
asante_kofi: nope i still don't quite agree
asante_kofi: a remote terminal from a 56k modem even more unreliablerishispix: so your concern is that the 56 modem concept isn't enough to handle "brain" transfer
rishispix: how do you equate the transfer of billions of dollars of equipment and research and time and weight etc ... over a very delicately and carefully controlled series of explosions?
asante_kofi: i;m just saying if it's supposed to be 1990's 56K modem..then i doubt it's strength
asante_kofi: obviously this is a debate between software ppland hardware ppl
rishispix: not sure about that... im not sure which one i am
asante_kofi: software dude..all software
rishispix: do you concede that things are done with software now that hardware used to do maybe 1 generation ago? (define generation as life cycle of technology)
asante_kofi: oh i'm having the same debate with teef and i've cp'd your statements to him
rishispix: and?
asante_kofi: yes i concede..but hardware is still vital
rishispix: i never said it's not
asante_kofi: he agrees with you
rishispix: but extrapolate hw/sw relationship out a few generations...
rishispix: sw will do what hw does "now"... and hw will do newer and better things
rishispix: hw is one step ahead, but sw makes it more efficient, manageable, and scalable
teef1:Interesting. But, it was only the cats on the Nebuchadnezzar dialing in
teef1: I like Rishi's interface analogy
asante_kofi: no in all 3 movies everyone else dialed in..all the rebels
teef1: In software, you can implement an interface any way you see fit, as long as you implement all the interface's methods (in Java at least)
teef1: Well, yes. From the ships, they dialed in
asante_kofi: but how do you account for the strength of the hardware
teef1: Which hardware? The modems?
teef1: How about the improbability that there would be a way to dial into the Matrix without them knowing about it?
asante_kofi: well no that we can conceive cause hackers have been around for awhile
asante_kofi: holes exist
asante_kofi: realizing this is a debate between software ppl and hardware person
teef1: Yes, but we're talking about code written by machines. Machines not limited by sleep or the need to eat. Couldn't they build millions of monitor programs to be watching non-stop?
teef1: Particularly when it's really the ONLY problem they have to address?
asante_kofi: right but even within their programs they had rogue programs no
asante_kofi: yeah..true
asante_kofi: so are we breaking down the whole matrix possibility
teef1: It's funny, because the first movie is on HBO right now
asante_kofi: is this crossing teh line of suspension of disbelief
teef1: I was laughing just now, because Traitor Boy had to drop a cell phone so the Agents would know where they were
teef1: Yes, I think it definitely is
rishispix: so who's not to say that SW can handle the communications requirements that is needed for brain transfer over POTSlines?
asante_kofi: right..but in a replication of aworld ... and the exactness of it..then what they included were the imperfections fo that world
asante_kofi: also
rishispix: take a look at a modern day comapny called www.peribit.com
asante_kofi: taht's why there were problems..and leaks
asante_kofi: humans inherntly flawed
rishispix: of course there are leaks
rishispix: but there are 2 arguments to that in the matrix world
so programs will be flawed
rishispix: 1. chaos theory reigns... nothing will be poerfect
rishispix: 2. imperfaections were required, coded and built into the matrix... as a matter of cyucle of life/programmed chaos, etc etc
rishispix: yup
rishispix: programs will be eternally flawedrishispix: but the initial debate started by second guessing the capacity of 24guage copper wire and analog communications protocol to transfer human minds
asante_kofi: don't go all chaos theory on me here man
rishispix: word